[07:37, 10.3.2026] ----------------------------: (0:00) Yeah, hey, hmm... I just heard that sound of metal being dragged down the street again, somewhat sharp and smooth, like always, uh, irregular. (0:20) Somehow, I keep coming back to what you said about a time before text, how everything must have been more fluid, hmm, how that influenced our perception of time, how that sort of, you know, protected thought from the linearity language imposes, hmm, yeah, I don't know, (0:50) I guess we maybe tend to romanticise this sort of pre-language state, but, I don't know, it's, uh, lately I've been thinking a lot about touch, uh, everything that’s haptic, I guess. Hmm, and, yeah, I mean, (1:40) imagine a world without that kind of, of reference, hmm, I don't know, you know, you look around and there are all these spaces you move within and you're always caged, you know, (2:02) surrounded by concrete and steel and very solid structures that you cannot really avoid, mostly, you know, straight lines and quite, hmm, yeah, suffocating. Hmm, but, I don't know, the other day I was like, (2:34) had a pretty sh*tty day, uh, and once again I was, you know, driving, driving alone (2:49) and I looked around and, you know, I'm inside this car driving in this massive avenue and somehow no cars were coming my way on the other side and there were no cars on my lane as well and (3:08) I was just looking around, absolute silence, hmm, and, you know, just like this piece of, (3:21) you know, aluminium, whatever cars are made of, hmm, fibre glass, floating through the tarmac, hmm, (3:32) with these big glass windows and, you know, it's like a little glass cabin (3:42) and, uh, yeah, I thought about that wordless state you suggested where I guess you’d only have gestures. I wonder, like, (3:54) if I can't articulate the linearity of what has brought me to this big chunk of (4:05) aluminium and fibreglass and all that crap, hmm, then it's all about this gesture and the silence (4:17) and I felt, I felt hidden and protected and even though I'm quite exposed as you are in a car, you (4:29) know, just being alone in this car gave me a sense of shelter, uh, almost as if I’m driving towards the sea, I guess, so that's probably why people (4:41) will drive for hours, hmm, maybe without a destination, it's very, it's very soothing, I guess, (4:53) and, yeah, I was just wondering what are you left with if you are left with gestures, limbs, lips moving, twisting, expanding, contracting, hands. (5:05) Somehow that took me back to that night I walked home after dropping you off, hmm, and weirdly enough it took me to that Cohen song where he says that “all our flesh was like a veil”.