[02:43, 10.9.2026] ----------------------------: (0:00) Yeah, you know, it could, it could be anything (0:04), like. Um, I don't know, it's funny. It's like, you look at this thing, and you start, (0:23) you know, you see this image, and, and you start wondering, it's in a way like, (0:32) as though you're present, because, um, somehow, like, vision gives you that (0:40) feeling of, you know, being present, being stimulated, I guess. (0:48) But then you're not. And you, you obviously start wondering, (0:56) um, yeah, well, what, what, what it would feel like to, (1:05) I don't know, like, you, I guess we end up projecting a lot. And there's a, there's a certain (1:18) magic to that, a sort of playful (1:25) act of imagination, you know, you start, it's, it's as though you know, it's as though you know, (1:34) you know, you, you know what the voice sounds like, or how it would feel like to (1:46) touch a certain texture or, you know, how, how it would feel like to be there. How do you know what is beyond an image? Yeah, it's it's it’s, it's hard to break down. But it's funny, because it's, um (2:00) it's not like you think about it as a possibility, it’s, um, you sort of pack everything into that projection, maybe a feeling, that (2:14) you have towards the image. It's, it's as though these two different dimensions (2:25) blend into each other. And one is pure projection, almost, you know, I guess, like imagination and (2:38) desire. And the other is the actual object of the (2:51) image, um, the sort of grounding, like, like the ground level of, of the image. I wonder if desire will ever translate into something more than an image, something, something beyond this object of the image and its disillusionment. Something haptic, I mean, where the image itself becomes a body. I mean, it's quite safe, isn't it? Because, you know, you're, you're hidden, you're watching from afar. And you're (3:26) also building your own experience by watching from afar, without actually ever getting exposed to (3:36) the actual presence of that, that, of what, what you're watching, you know. (3:44) So, I mean, obviously, like, that creates a huge gap. And it leads to (3:53) disillusionment, I guess, at some point. It also leads to violence becoming discrete because you’re totally disconnected, I guess. You’re just watching, that’s all. (4:13) I mean, we always come back to the same question, don’t we? I guess the point is that images contain, um, a sort of decadence from the beginning. The moment they’re formed, they are already a degraded form of something else, ain’t they? They’re missing. (4:53) Then I guess you have two possibilities, right? You either try to look for what’s missing in the visible, or you try to expand the invisible in-between of images. (5:02) Either way there is always something missing, isn’t there? You know, it certainly feels like you’re looking for something. I guess that’s the body trying to fill up the gaps. I mean, we see everything everywhere all the time, but what does it really show? (5:23) It's like this sort of, of very extreme form of desire, where you're sort of building a whole world watching from afar. (5:41) And the crazy thing is that all this time you’re just tapping on a screen.